Rogue · Subtlety · row 3
Initiative
Changed from Classic3 ranks
Initiative
Rank 3/3Subtlety
Requires 10 points in Subtlety Talents
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Every rank of Initiative
| Rank | Effect | Source |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. | client |
| 2 | Gives you a 67% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. | client |
| 3 | Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. | client |
Requirements and position
- Tree: Subtlety, row 3, column 1. Needs 10 points in Subtlety first. The earliest you can finish all 3 ranks is level 22 if you put every point into this tree.
- Competes with: Premeditation, Serrated Blades in the same row.
Classic comparison
| Classic 1.12 | WoW Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Name | Initiative | Initiative |
| Position | Subtlety row 3, col 1 | Subtlety row 3, col 1 |
| Ranks | 3 | 3 |
| Rank 1 text | Gives you a 25% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. | Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. |
Spells this talent affects
- Ambush · 6 ranks, learned at 18
- Cheap Shot · 1 rank
- Garrote · 6 ranks, learned at 14
Builds that take Initiative
Questions players ask
Where is Initiative in the Rogue talent tree?
Subtlety tree, row 3, column 1. You need 10 points spent in Subtlety before you can learn it.
Is Initiative new in WoW Forever?
Initiative existed in Classic (Subtlety row 3, 3 ranks). In Forever it was changed: Classic read "Gives you a 25% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.".
Snapshot 2026-11-03, client 1.60.1.70753.